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SewerRatz · 11-17-2009, 07:23 PM

Saturday I was contacted by a home owner explaining to me her home was a fire rehab, and her drains where running slow. Also the local inspector from the town told her the piping under the kitchen sink needed to be changed to a double wye with two traps.

So when I got there I noticed her main sewer was backed up so we started to power rod the sewer. I looked at the kitchen sink drain pipes, there is no garbage disposal, so per the Illinois plumbing code a single p-trap can serve both basins. So the home owner got the inspector on the phone, and he said if the basins are more than 6" deep they both needed to be trap. In my gut I felt he was still wrong but did not want to argue the point with out having my code book in hand. Then he asks what company I am with. I told him and he said our license on their file is not up to date. No problem I will update it.

Now here is the part that has me uneasy, he then tells me I need to put my license on her permit and take responsibility for all the plumbing updates in the house. Apparently her GC had her put down the plumbing was being done by the home owner, and he found out the GC did the work. So now they are trying to push me to get my license information in to them and put it on her permit. I told her if I do this and they find anything else wrong with the plumbing she will have to pay me to correct it along with any fee's the city hits me or her with.

So I am wondering if the city has the right to make me take responsibility of all the plumbing in the house that I never did except make the correction to the sink pipes per the way he wanted it done and power rod the main line and sink line.

So whats your thoughts? Any Illinois inspectors wish to chime in?

TheMaster · 11-17-2009, 07:25 PM

They tryin to do your dirty. Who knows he might be taken a kickback everytime he and his pals run sombody out of business.
Any new construction going on in the area? You know what he's tellin you is that 99% of new kitchen sinks being installed will have two traps now. Call the supply house. calla friend or another company that does alot of new construction.
Better yet get all the ammendments to your code book and see what the book says..If he argues then tell him to get his codebook an show you. They are required to have a copy with them here and show the code if theres a question.

DUNBAR PLUMBING · 11-17-2009, 07:29 PM

Absolutely; that's what a takeover permit does. In the state of KY when you pull a permit on a takeover you assume all responsibility of it.

Il is a different state but that's the norm most times. If I was you I would remove myself from that situation like you see evil staring at you in the eyes.

That's a bad one and I don't care what you sign with the property owner; you're on the hook.

Tell that inspector that there's a Master Plumber from KY calling him an idiot for double trapping a kitchen sink.

Do they make you all individually trap/vent a 3 compartment sink? If they do then he's right. But if no...he's just trying to make life difficult.

SewerRatz · 11-17-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMaster

They tryin to do your dirty. Who knows he might be taken a kickback everytime he and his pals run sombody out of business.
Any new construction going on in the area? You know what he's tellin you is that 99% of new kitchen sinks being installed will have two traps now. Call the supply house. calla friend or another company that does alot of new construction.

Oh when I got home I checked the Illinois code he was wrong on the fact if both basins are more than 6" deep. If one basin was more than 6" deeper than the other then it would of required two traps. That part I do not mind. The part that has me concerned is they want me to put my license on the permit and take responsibility for someone else's work.

Section 890.410 Fixture Traps/Continuous Waste

a) Fixture Traps. All directly connected plumbing fixtures, except those having integral traps, shall be separately trapped by a water-seal trap, placed as close to the fixture outlet as possible. A kitchen sink with up to 3 basins may be installed on one trap if one compartment is not more than 6 inches deeper than the other and the waste outlets are not more than 30 inches apart.

SewerRatz · 11-17-2009, 07:34 PM

Thing is I am not taking over, all the work is done. He failed her on the kitchen sink drain, which is when she spilled the beans that the GC did the work not her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUNBAR PLUMBING

Absolutely; that's what a takeover permit does. In the state of KY when you pull a permit on a takeover you assume all responsibility of it.

Il is a different state but that's the norm most times. If I was you I would remove myself from that situation like you see evil staring at you in the eyes.

That's a bad one and I don't care what you sign with the property owner; you're on the hook.

Tell that inspector that there's a Master Plumber from KY calling him an idiot for double trapping a kitchen sink.

Do they make you all individually trap/vent a 3 compartment sink? If they do then he's right. But if no...he's just trying to make life difficult.

DUNBAR PLUMBING · 11-17-2009, 07:34 PM

He's wrong, according to that code statute.

TheMaster · 11-17-2009, 07:35 PM

I would never take responsibility for someone elses work and me know about it. Not all money is good money.

SewerRatz · 11-17-2009, 07:35 PM

agreed, the sinks where of equal depth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUNBAR PLUMBING

He's wrong, according to that code statute.

DUNBAR PLUMBING · 11-17-2009, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SewerRatz

Thing is I am not taking over, all the work is done. He failed her on the kitchen sink drain, which is when she spilled the beans that the GC did the work not her.

But in essence, when you take a permit that's covering that entire plumbing system that was worked on, it would be.

Somewhere in this equation there probably needs to be a licensed plumber in the equation so the insurance company or building permits look okay to the situation. Probably a requirement.

Run man! RUN!!

Killertoiletspider · 11-17-2009, 07:37 PM

Does the city you are working in use IL code or their own interpretation of Chicago code?

11-17-2009, 07:23 PM	#1
SewerRatz Illinois Licensed Plumber Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago Area Posts: 2,702 My Photos	Need Advice Saturday I was contacted by a home owner explaining to me her home was a fire rehab, and her drains where running slow. Also the local inspector from the town told her the piping under the kitchen sink needed to be changed to a double wye with two traps. So when I got there I noticed her main sewer was backed up so we started to power rod the sewer. I looked at the kitchen sink drain pipes, there is no garbage disposal, so per the Illinois plumbing code a single p-trap can serve both basins. So the home owner got the inspector on the phone, and he said if the basins are more than 6" deep they both needed to be trap. In my gut I felt he was still wrong but did not want to argue the point with out having my code book in hand. Then he asks what company I am with. I told him and he said our license on their file is not up to date. No problem I will update it. Now here is the part that has me uneasy, he then tells me I need to put my license on her permit and take responsibility for all the plumbing updates in the house. Apparently her GC had her put down the plumbing was being done by the home owner, and he found out the GC did the work. So now they are trying to push me to get my license information in to them and put it on her permit. I told her if I do this and they find anything else wrong with the plumbing she will have to pay me to correct it along with any fee's the city hits me or her with. So I am wondering if the city has the right to make me take responsibility of all the plumbing in the house that I never did except make the correction to the sink pipes per the way he wanted it done and power rod the main line and sink line. So whats your thoughts? Any Illinois inspectors wish to chime in? __________________ Ron Hasil Lic #058-160417 A-Archer Sewer & Plumbing specializing in: Tankless Water Heaters \| Drain and Sewer Cleaning Sump and Ejector Pumps \| Backflow RPZ Testing

11-17-2009, 07:25 PM	#2
TheMaster Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,437 My Photos	They tryin to do your dirty. Who knows he might be taken a kickback everytime he and his pals run sombody out of business. Any new construction going on in the area? You know what he's tellin you is that 99% of new kitchen sinks being installed will have two traps now. Call the supply house. calla friend or another company that does alot of new construction. Better yet get all the ammendments to your code book and see what the book says..If he argues then tell him to get his codebook an show you. They are required to have a copy with them here and show the code if theres a question. Last edited by TheMaster; 11-17-2009 at 07:29 PM..

11-17-2009, 07:29 PM	#3
DUNBAR PLUMBING www.DunbarPlumbing.com Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NORTHERN KENTUCKY - GREATER CINCINNATI AREA Posts: 4,490 My Photos	Absolutely; that's what a takeover permit does. In the state of KY when you pull a permit on a takeover you assume all responsibility of it. Il is a different state but that's the norm most times. If I was you I would remove myself from that situation like you see evil staring at you in the eyes. That's a bad one and I don't care what you sign with the property owner; you're on the hook. Tell that inspector that there's a Master Plumber from KY calling him an idiot for double trapping a kitchen sink. Do they make you all individually trap/vent a 3 compartment sink? If they do then he's right. But if no...he's just trying to make life difficult. __________________ Northern Kentucky Plumbers *\|YOUTUBE VIDEOS\| Twitter Feed \| DUNBAR PLUMBING FAN PAGE*

11-17-2009, 07:34 PM	#6
DUNBAR PLUMBING www.DunbarPlumbing.com Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NORTHERN KENTUCKY - GREATER CINCINNATI AREA Posts: 4,490 My Photos	He's wrong, according to that code statute. __________________ Northern Kentucky Plumbers *\|YOUTUBE VIDEOS\| Twitter Feed \| DUNBAR PLUMBING FAN PAGE*

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11-17-2009, 07:35 PM	#7
TheMaster Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,437 My Photos	I would never take responsibility for someone elses work and me know about it. Not all money is good money.

11-17-2009, 07:37 PM	#10
Killertoiletspider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,410 My Photos	Does the city you are working in use IL code or their own interpretation of Chicago code?

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