3KP

I was talking to a Inspector in Fisher's IN. He was telling me I really needed to get my new guy a apprentice card. (That day was his first day and all I had him doing was digging and back filling a 50' long x 2' deep trench for a gas line).

Back to what he was telling me: He told me that we NO longer have to take the pratical of our test. (lead joint and copper project) So all a person need to do is pass their written exam (which is now a open book exam that is taken on a computer):f urious:

Here in Indiana we just pass out Plumbing License like they are out of a Cracker Jack box.. Now!

Glad to see all my hard work and education I went through to get my license has no meaning now! Sorrry a Little ticked off about this sorry Azz State!

I reported a guy I know for a fact that is a non license plumber doing plumbing seen his truck with plumbing written all over it with no PC # on the truck called the city and they came out and just told him to remove all his stickers off his truck and not to preform plumbing with out a license. NO FINE! WTF!!!!

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When was the last time you looked into the new testing. The apprenticeship school is responsible to sign off on the practical skills portion. I have a co worker who had to do the practicals through the apprenticeship, recently. It was not as difficult as the lead and copper at the armory, but was not a cake walk. As for the test, he had to study a lot more stuff than I did. Even though it was open book, he had to get a new resource to go along with the code book.
All told he has spent somewhere in the range of $600.00 plus dollars to be licensed in Indiana. He did take the contractors and was able to pass the first time

Now the portion I will agree with you: Yes, Indiana does just about hand out licenses. This is nothing new how many guys do you know that grandfathered in. I have been licensed for several years and did not find it particularly difficult to become so. All plumber in Indiana need to start making some noise or its only going to get worse. I personally am tired with all the hacks out there messing up.

3KP

When I went through the program I remember taking the pratical in class to get a grade on it. But when I went to take my Journeymans I still had to do the pratical to get my license. I went back roughly 1-2 years later to take my Contractors all I had to do was the drawlings and a different written exam. (color in the right bubble) At that time they still did the pratical. The Inspector said they go to IUPUI campus to take the test now ( I could be wrong on that)

I was just going off what he was telling me. He said why they did away with it was do to eviromential people said it was unsafe!!!

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TheMaster

They need revenue....to get revenue they must hand out license so they can get the renewal every year. Its all about money. I've been saying it for years. An inspected job doesn't make a safe job or a good job,they cant see inside the joint to see if its proper now can they. Just because its pass's the initial test's doesn't prove it all good.

ILPlumber

The Indiana contractors testing was more difficult than the IL test. IMO.

I do not understand how so many prople fail. Minimum score ought to be around 90%, not 75%. I want a professional plumber working for me to be right more than 3 times out of 4.

As to the OP. Apprentices should be registered right out of the gate.

3KP

I Agree with you 100% IL

That morinig I had him fill out his paper work and the REAL BOSS (Wife) was going to deal with IPLA to get his card that day. When we arrived to the shop that evening his card was ready.. But I knew that his first day I wouldn't be in any code violations. Anyone can dig and move dirt, He just could not touch plumbing which he didn't, Not even during the unloading of the truck. He carried the shelve, hoe, and tamper.

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ILPlumber

Maybe the inspector just wanted to feel important

You shoulda gave him a hug.

Tyman

I am the coworker that Indiana Plumber speaks of and feel the need to at least stand up for what I feel I have earned.

3KP, your are a correct to a point but not the extent. The state no longer administers the practical portion of the test. You are still required to pass the practical portion at the apprenticeship or you do not pass. No pass, no license.

The practical portion of the test was administered by local Plumbing Contractors and Journeymen. Believe me when I say that they have no desire to create more competition. Eleven of us took the test. Four were failed. Of those, two more failed again.

Three areas that at tested;
Copper project
Cast Iron Soil pipe project
Pvc Project.

All areas were pressure tested under water and cut apart. Perfection would be a understatement.

Now as far as the testing go's it was actually very professional. I tested for the Contractors license. Code book and Contractors business law books were allowed. I was given 4 blueprints. One was of a three story office building and the other was of a nursing home with a grease trap. The other two were of a toilet and a three bay sink. DFU and WFU, built upon each other, so you better be right.

Three hour test. 90 questions. Business law questions were tough and had to do with OSHA rules, taxes, business math, employee laws. I am sure that some of the questions that were asked were not in the Code book. In the illustrated manual, yes, but not the code book.

I asked the person running the test how many people fail and she said it was around 50%. You also find out if you passed immediately, not in two weeks.

Was it easy, No. Did I study my butt off, YES. Indiana Plumber quizzed me at work and we studied at my house. I studied nightly for four months sitting beside my furnace with my books.

Upon taking the test you come to sudden reality of either you know it or you don't. You can have all the books you want, if you don't know it, you just don't know it.

I hope that this might clear up some confusion, because nobody passed me a license from a cracker jack box, because I earned it.

Take care

RealLivePlumber

Congratulations on earning your license.

Now hows about following protocol and
POSTING AN INTRO?

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Tyman

Sir, Intro Posted Sir!