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Ron · 06-28-2009, 03:22 PM

Stirring the pot on here with a bunch of arrogant, hard nosed, put the boxing gloves on, I'm better then you plumbers, only leads to fights, nothing wrong with a good debut, but once it goes to the ring the bell round one it won't stop.

TheMaster · 06-28-2009, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron The Plumber

Stirring the pot on here with a bunch of arrogant, hard nosed, put the boxing gloves on, I'm better then you plumbers, only leads to fights, nothing wrong with a good debut, but once it goes to the ring the bell round one it won't stop.

I agree and try to keep on subject. Gentlemen debate not argue.....after a debate we still can go get drinks together. I agree to disagree with honor!!! no foul language!!!!

Protech · 06-28-2009, 04:15 PM

I'm going to agree with themaster on that. The pictures shown in that link would never pass inspection in Fl. We like long sweeping bends

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron The Plumber

I was just telling you that they have already allows us people to use santee/s, want to take your mind for a spin, open your eyes to these pictures, not mine thou.

http://www.plumbingzone.com/members/...terprises-inc/

Ron · 06-28-2009, 04:23 PM

Even I don't use santees like what is in those pictures, only in a vent situation and only if grade is not allowing me to use a combo.

GREENPLUM · 06-28-2009, 04:36 PM

I will also AGREE with "TheMaster" The Atlanta Inspection Department would take a Picture of it and put it on there "HALL OF SHAME". But I understand the CODE is different where you live. No name calling here, just postin my stinkin opinion

Ron · 06-28-2009, 04:42 PM

That is Kentucky Codes in those pictures, not Oregon

Here is the code and what it says.

Section 9. Change of Direction. A change in direction of a sewer shall be
made with long curves, forty-five (45) degree wyes, half wyes, quarter, sixth,
eighth or sixteenth bends or sanitary tees installed on their back or on their sides at an angle of not more than forty-five (45) degrees.

TheMaster · 06-28-2009, 04:51 PM

kentucky is as screwed up worse than alabama and thats not a easy task

Ron · 06-28-2009, 04:59 PM

I cleaned lines for years, clean outs are required in many parts of our code, at the kitchen, laundry, on the mains, so santee on it's back is not an issue, santee on it back to serve as vent only, no drain can connect to it, it most cases it will be for the closet, seldom for the smaller drains, and all closets vents are min 2" OTR.

PipeDreamer · 06-28-2009, 09:23 PM

2006 National Standard Plumbing Code (New Jersey)
We can use a tee on its back for a single fixture:

Quote:

2.3 CHANGES IN DIRECTION OF DRAINAGE PIPING
2.3.1 Uses for Drainage Fittings

a. Changes in direction of drainage piping shall be made with long radius drainage fittings. See Table
2.3.1.
EXCEPTION: Short radius drainage fittings shall be permitted in the drain piping for individual fixtures. See
Table 2.3.1.
b. Short radius drainage fittings are those having radius or centerline dimensions that are approximately
equal to or less than their nominal pipe size. The radius or centerline dimensions of long radius drainage
fittings are greater than their nominal pipe size.
c. Long radius drainage fittings shall not be used to connect fixture trap arms to vertical drain and vent

piping. Connections to fixture vents shall be above the top weir of the fixture trap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protech

It can be convenient though to use a combo in situations that would make cleaning the line difficult with a san tee. The first example that comes to mind is a twin lav setup. A double combo works great in that situation and makes for an easy drain cleaning call later on.

We can't use a double combo for that here. See exception C above.

HALO3 · 07-02-2009, 12:33 AM

a vent must be roughed 6" above the highest "flood level rim" not tallest fixture. Bill is correct, the illustration above for the loop vent is incorrect. Ron correct, however, a vent which is roughed in from a horizontal wye fitting will still be plumbed accordingly, 6" above highest flood level rim.

06-28-2009, 03:22 PM	#121
Ron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,635 My Photos	Stirring the pot on here with a bunch of arrogant, hard nosed, put the boxing gloves on, I'm better then you plumbers, only leads to fights, nothing wrong with a good debut, but once it goes to the ring the bell round one it won't stop. __________________ Stephen Hawking: If the government is covering up knowledge of Aliens, they are doing a better job of it then they do at anything else.

06-28-2009, 04:23 PM	#124
Ron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,635 My Photos	Even I don't use santees like what is in those pictures, only in a vent situation and only if grade is not allowing me to use a combo. __________________ Stephen Hawking: If the government is covering up knowledge of Aliens, they are doing a better job of it then they do at anything else.

06-28-2009, 04:42 PM	#126
Ron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,635 My Photos	That is Kentucky Codes in those pictures, not Oregon Here is the code and what it says. Section 9. Change of Direction. A change in direction of a sewer shall be made with long curves, forty-five (45) degree wyes, half wyes, quarter, sixth, eighth or sixteenth bends or sanitary tees installed on their back or on their sides at an angle of not more than forty-five (45) degrees. __________________ Stephen Hawking: If the government is covering up knowledge of Aliens, they are doing a better job of it then they do at anything else. Last edited by Ron; 06-28-2009 at 04:47 PM..

06-28-2009, 04:51 PM	#127
TheMaster Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,437 My Photos	kentucky is as screwed up worse than alabama and thats not a easy task Last edited by TheMaster; 06-28-2009 at 04:55 PM..

06-28-2009, 04:59 PM	#128
Ron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,635 My Photos	I cleaned lines for years, clean outs are required in many parts of our code, at the kitchen, laundry, on the mains, so santee on it's back is not an issue, santee on it back to serve as vent only, no drain can connect to it, it most cases it will be for the closet, seldom for the smaller drains, and all closets vents are min 2" OTR. __________________ Stephen Hawking: If the government is covering up knowledge of Aliens, they are doing a better job of it then they do at anything else.

06-28-2009, 04:36 PM	#125
GREENPLUM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ... Posts: 2,312 My Photos	I will also AGREE with "TheMaster" The Atlanta Inspection Department would take a Picture of it and put it on there "HALL OF SHAME". But I understand the CODE is different where you live. No name calling here, just postin my stinkin opinion

07-02-2009, 12:33 AM	#130
HALO3 My 3 Halos Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 19 My Photos	a vent must be roughed 6" above the highest "flood level rim" not tallest fixture. Bill is correct, the illustration above for the loop vent is incorrect. Ron correct, however, a vent which is roughed in from a horizontal wye fitting will still be plumbed accordingly, 6" above highest flood level rim.

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