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DUNBAR PLUMBING · 03-16-2010, 04:38 AM

Is the state code enforcing grease traps for all restaurant type applications, including ice cream shops, just like the one I did recently and had inspected?

If it is code, I need the statute and if it is relaxed in certain situations in the entire state of Indiana.

It should not make a difference (I would believe) that the ice cream is made on site.

DUNBAR PLUMBING · 03-18-2010, 01:46 AM

Don't tell me there's no Indiana plumbers on this site, especially with 61 views already.

There's a ice cream shop up in indiana stating they don't require a grease trap. I was "hoping" to get an answer before I start calling plumbing inspectors up there where this incident took place.

The goal is to shut this business down if and when I figure out if he's lying or not.

My experience with Indiana was that they just don't care about codes, rarely. Up north I'm hoping that's a different story.

Miguel · 03-18-2010, 01:57 PM

What do the local authorities say?
IMO grease traps should be required since icecream is basically sweetened fat. But it's not a health or safety issue but rather a protective measure to help keep the sewer lateral and the city mains from clogging. If the local jurisdiction doesn't care then why should you? Just my thoughts since all the Indiana plumbers seem to be out plumbing.

You want to shut down an ice cream making place???

Who are you and what have you done with Dunbar?!

Indie · 03-18-2010, 04:28 PM

To tell you honestly, Dunbar. I would have to call the inspector myself to find out. The County and/or City inspector is going to have say over this. I would have responded, but I really don't deal with that stuff enough. Here in Indiana unless its one of the bigger counties most people don't know or don't give a

.

MIbassmaster · 03-18-2010, 05:28 PM

The rule here is; if there are dishes or a dishwasher interseptors are required. Most icecream places are paper. If they installed a 3-compartment sink the inspector may require an interseptor for change of use. Should be noted on the municipalities plan review notes.
I've found that most restaurants don't clean thier interseptors even when they have them.

Hope this helps... DUNBAR

ChrisConnor · 03-18-2010, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIbassmaster

I've found that most restaurants don't clean their interceptors even when they have them.

Or if they do, they drop the screw that holds the lid down so it overflows every time they let water out of the sink.

DUNBAR PLUMBING · 03-19-2010, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miguel

What do the local authorities say?
IMO grease traps should be required since icecream is basically sweetened fat. But it's not a health or safety issue but rather a protective measure to help keep the sewer lateral and the city mains from clogging. If the local jurisdiction doesn't care then why should you? Just my thoughts since all the Indiana plumbers seem to be out plumbing.

You want to shut down an ice cream making place???

Who are you and what have you done with Dunbar?!

LOL!

I've got a guy on a plumbing forum who doesn't like the "attitude" of responders who are telling him that a grease trap is required, and this fellow is in the current situation that all of his pipes are 100% clogged, out to the main.

He asked questions on how to clean them, and got riled. I haven't entered the thread yet but I already know his city and it's a small one; ice cream shop will be easy to find.

Anyone knowingly subjecting city mains to that type of waste, ignoring good advice and not playing by the rules deserves my decision to hunt them down and make them accountable for their actions.

But as I mentioned above, Indiana is very laxed on many codes as I know this through working in 3 southern counties, and enforcement was non-existent at the time.

IOW, I won't pursue the matter if I can't get inspectors to rectify the situation, because obviously the health department is currently looking the other way.

**ILPlumber** · 03-19-2010, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUNBAR PLUMBING

LOL!

But as I mentioned above, Indiana is very laxed on many codes as I know this through working in 3 southern counties, and enforcement was non-existent at the time.

I didn't know you were licensed in Indiana too.

Master Mark · 03-19-2010, 04:35 PM

anything goes here.....Dunbar..

If the place was renovated from a garage or some other
building, and not built new from ground up.
it probably was allowed to slide.....
they dont check anything .........

I just recently went to a beauty shop with an
80 gallon brad white electric heater in the basement

heater turned up on HIGH till the elements burnt out......

the place passed city inspection without any kind of

tempering valve on this heater.....

I told the fellow that he could be sued if any of his
clients were to get scalded from the heater getting their
hair washed and he should add a Simmons valve on the heater...

he felt I was trying to shake him down..
thought the price was too high ,,, the simmons tempering valve
is about 550 my cost alone...

.

so I wrote it up all on the bill and moved on

but the beauty shop passed inspection just two years ago

Basically it boils down to the honor system here

DUNBAR PLUMBING · 03-19-2010, 08:19 PM

This is what I was afraid of. No point of pursuing the matter if there's no one of authority to stop the madness.

Years ago we was told to follow "whatever" code we thought was in the best interest of the customer. Couldn't enforce water heater installations in basements with no floor drains, high pressure was never addressed, not even enforcement of a working shutoff at the cold water inlet valve.

Thought about taking the master's up in Indiana just for advertising purposes but if there's no code enforcement, what's it even worth???

03-16-2010, 04:38 AM	#1
DUNBAR PLUMBING www.DunbarPlumbing.com Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NORTHERN KENTUCKY - GREATER CINCINNATI AREA Posts: 4,492 My Photos	For Indiana Plumbers Is the state code enforcing grease traps for all restaurant type applications, including ice cream shops, just like the one I did recently and had inspected? If it is code, I need the statute and if it is relaxed in certain situations in the entire state of Indiana. It should not make a difference (I would believe) that the ice cream is made on site. __________________ Northern Kentucky Plumbers *\|YOUTUBE VIDEOS\| Twitter Feed \| DUNBAR PLUMBING FAN PAGE*

03-18-2010, 01:46 AM	#2
DUNBAR PLUMBING www.DunbarPlumbing.com Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NORTHERN KENTUCKY - GREATER CINCINNATI AREA Posts: 4,492 My Photos	Don't tell me there's no Indiana plumbers on this site, especially with 61 views already. There's a ice cream shop up in indiana stating they don't require a grease trap. I was "hoping" to get an answer before I start calling plumbing inspectors up there where this incident took place. The goal is to shut this business down if and when I figure out if he's lying or not. My experience with Indiana was that they just don't care about codes, rarely. Up north I'm hoping that's a different story. __________________ Northern Kentucky Plumbers *\|YOUTUBE VIDEOS\| Twitter Feed \| DUNBAR PLUMBING FAN PAGE*

03-18-2010, 01:57 PM	#3
Miguel Drained Professional Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sunset Country, Ontario Posts: 709 My Photos	What do the local authorities say? IMO grease traps should be required since icecream is basically sweetened fat. But it's not a health or safety issue but rather a protective measure to help keep the sewer lateral and the city mains from clogging. If the local jurisdiction doesn't care then why should you? Just my thoughts since all the Indiana plumbers seem to be out plumbing. You want to shut down an ice cream making place??? Who are you and what have you done with Dunbar?! __________________ *BOOM-diyada! Life is good!*

03-19-2010, 04:35 PM	#9
Master Mark philosopher and statesmen Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Indianapolis indiana ... Posts: 2,367 My Photos	Indiana is very lax anything goes here.....Dunbar.. If the place was renovated from a garage or some other building, and not built new from ground up. it probably was allowed to slide..... they dont check anything ......... I just recently went to a beauty shop with an 80 gallon brad white electric heater in the basement heater turned up on HIGH till the elements burnt out...... the place passed city inspection without any kind of tempering valve on this heater..... I told the fellow that he could be sued if any of his clients were to get scalded from the heater getting their hair washed and he should add a Simmons valve on the heater... he felt I was trying to shake him down.. thought the price was too high ,,, the simmons tempering valve is about 550 my cost alone... . so I wrote it up all on the bill and moved on but the beauty shop passed inspection just two years ago Basically it boils down to the honor system here __________________ God created man, Sam Colt made them equal." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMO1eyMRuM Last edited by Master Mark; 03-19-2010 at 06:31 PM..

03-19-2010, 08:19 PM	#10
DUNBAR PLUMBING www.DunbarPlumbing.com Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NORTHERN KENTUCKY - GREATER CINCINNATI AREA Posts: 4,492 My Photos	This is what I was afraid of. No point of pursuing the matter if there's no one of authority to stop the madness. Years ago we was told to follow "whatever" code we thought was in the best interest of the customer. Couldn't enforce water heater installations in basements with no floor drains, high pressure was never addressed, not even enforcement of a working shutoff at the cold water inlet valve. Thought about taking the master's up in Indiana just for advertising purposes but if there's no code enforcement, what's it even worth??? __________________ Northern Kentucky Plumbers *\|YOUTUBE VIDEOS\| Twitter Feed \| DUNBAR PLUMBING FAN PAGE*

03-18-2010, 04:28 PM	#4
Indie AAAAAAAAHHHHH!!! Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,601 My Photos	To tell you honestly, Dunbar. I would have to call the inspector myself to find out. The County and/or City inspector is going to have say over this. I would have responded, but I really don't deal with that stuff enough. Here in Indiana unless its one of the bigger counties most people don't know or don't give a .

03-18-2010, 05:28 PM	#5
MIbassmaster twice the diameter Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Great Lakes State Posts: 34 My Photos	The rule here is; if there are dishes or a dishwasher interseptors are required. Most icecream places are paper. If they installed a 3-compartment sink the inspector may require an interseptor for change of use. Should be noted on the municipalities plan review notes. I've found that most restaurants don't clean thier interseptors even when they have them. Hope this helps... DUNBAR

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