Had it! Now what! - Plumbing Zone

spudwrench · 07-01-2010, 09:03 PM

Have seen so many threads on this forum about handy hacks and plumbers with no license, or laid off taking work. I have just had it with these people, they MAY be taking work from me but that is not the issue. Did or do any of you plumbers that said "turn them in" really do it? I am so PSSSST about my brothers and others doing this that I am ready to stake out the box stores and follow these Jerks to their jobs and turn them in.
When I started my own business, My regional state inspector told me " Do everything legal, or I will make an example out of you".
I think that we will have a conversation tomorrow in East Central Illinois

Indie · 07-01-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spudwrench

Have seen so many threads on this forum about handy hacks and plumbers with no license, or laid off taking work. I have just had it with these people, they MAY be taking work from me but that is not the issue. Did or do any of you plumbers that said "turn them in" really do it? I am so PSSSST about my brothers and others doing this that I am ready to stake out the box stores and follow these Jerks to their jobs and turn them in.
When I started my own business, My regional state inspector told me " Do everything legal, or I will make an example out of you".
I think that we will have a conversation tomorrow in East Central Illinois

There is no enforcement in Indiana. As a plumber in Indiana I do not have a legal way to turn in handy-hacks. If I want to turn someone in I have to send in a Consumer complaint form, to the State Attorney General, which requires me to lie about my involvement with the hack.

http://12.186.81.50/ConsumerComplain...plaintForm.htm

So, what can I do. I have written to the local State Rep. but have received nothing, but the standard automated response. I have even suggested on here that the Plumbers of Indiana inundate the State reps. but when rubber meets rode, there is nothing but talk.

Redwood · 07-01-2010, 09:23 PM

I can think of a way that might have an effect...

But it would involve plumbers banding together to accomplish the task...
What are the chances of that?

Indie · 07-01-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwood

I can think of a way that might have an effect...

But it would involve plumbers banding together to accomplish the task...
What are the chances of that?

Chances are slim to none. One might think that is what the Union and PHCC exist to help with this problem.

Plasticman · 07-01-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwood

I can think of a way that might have an effect...

But it would involve plumbers banding together to accomplish the task...
What are the chances of that?

I'm in

OldSchool · 07-02-2010, 11:29 AM

Some 20 to 30 years ago we use to have the Ministry of labour stop by every job in town to check trade tickets and safety..... If you were missing any of the above you were kicked from the job site.

Today however I have never seen the minisrty of labour going to any job site.... So what in the hell have they been doing instead of enforcing the work laws.

BROOKLYN\PLUMB · 07-02-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spudwrench

Have seen so many threads on this forum about handy hacks and plumbers with no license, or laid off taking work. I have just had it with these people, they MAY be taking work from me but that is not the issue. Did or do any of you plumbers that said "turn them in" really do it? I am so PSSSST about my brothers and others doing this that I am ready to stake out the box stores and follow these Jerks to their jobs and turn them in.
When I started my own business, My regional state inspector told me " Do everything legal, or I will make an example out of you".
I think that we will have a conversation tomorrow in East Central Illinois

NYC as of September 1 2010 fines for first offenders go to $2500 second offence $5000 http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/download...ntro_0068a.pdf

The reason fellow master lic plumbers dont turn in those that arent is because they the ones signing off the jobs there not in competition there in colusion. I even compain to the phone books when they put so&so mechanical & piping under plumbing

AKdaplumba · 07-02-2010, 07:31 PM

Having an apprentice be foreman of a job is illegal, hell its fraud because your using a JM number that isnt on site,, and it happens all the time

tnoisaw · 07-02-2010, 08:22 PM

I recently posted about this the other day. http://www.plumbingzone.com/f2/venting-not-plumbing-venting-9293/
My dilemma was that I know of many people who would possibly lose their only source of income had I reported what I knew. I am not willing to ruin the lives of good people because someone cheated the system.

Indie · 07-02-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tnoisaw

I recently posted about this the other day. http://www.plumbingzone.com/f2/venting-not-plumbing-venting-9293/
My dilemma was that I know of many people who would possibly lose their only source of income had I reported what I knew. I am not willing to ruin the lives of good people because someone cheated the system.

Are you saying you know of people out there plumbing without a license, and you don't want to turn them in?

07-01-2010, 09:03 PM	#1
spudwrench Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 105 My Photos	Had it! Now what! Have seen so many threads on this forum about handy hacks and plumbers with no license, or laid off taking work. I have just had it with these people, they MAY be taking work from me but that is not the issue. Did or do any of you plumbers that said "turn them in" really do it? I am so PSSSST about my brothers and others doing this that I am ready to stake out the box stores and follow these Jerks to their jobs and turn them in. When I started my own business, My regional state inspector told me " Do everything legal, or I will make an example out of you". I think that we will have a conversation tomorrow in East Central Illinois

07-01-2010, 09:23 PM	#3
Redwood jA-Rod dat u? Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 9,252 My Photos	I can think of a way that might have an effect... But it would involve plumbers banding together to accomplish the task... What are the chances of that? __________________ *"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power."* ~Benito Mussolini~ Lloyd Blankfein for President 2012 - Save Money Cut Out The Middleman! 411 Plumb Appliance Stimulus Package

07-02-2010, 08:22 PM	#9
tnoisaw Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 402 My Photos	I recently posted about this the other day. http://www.plumbingzone.com/f2/venting-not-plumbing-venting-9293/ My dilemma was that I know of many people who would possibly lose their only source of income had I reported what I knew. I am not willing to ruin the lives of good people because someone cheated the system. __________________ Being a plumber is often like being the only one on your block that has a pickup.

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07-02-2010, 07:31 PM	#8
AKdaplumba Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 723 My Photos	Having an apprentice be foreman of a job is illegal, hell its fraud because your using a JM number that isnt on site,, and it happens all the time