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Old 11-08-2009, 12:16 AM   #11
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Am. Std. just announced a toilet that is very similar to the Kohler Persuade so it seems to be a trend now towards these pull the toilet to change a fill valve toilets...

http://411plumb.com/american-standar...-toilet-review
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Am. Std. just announced a toilet that is very similar to the Kohler Persuade so it seems to be a trend now towards these pull the toilet to change a fill valve toilets...

http://411plumb.com/american-standar...-toilet-review
I will refuse to install the toilets even if it costs me money and i will also refuse to work on them even if it costs me money. End of conversation for me. Thanks for bringing these to my attention guys.
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Old 11-08-2009, 05:47 PM   #13
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I just installed one of these Kohler persuades in a remodel job last Thursday. What a piece of work. Glad I charged an additional hundred for the install...
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:56 PM   #14
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Am. Std. just announced a toilet that is very similar to the Kohler Persuade so it seems to be a trend now towards these pull the toilet to change a fill valve toilets...

http://411plumb.com/american-standar...-toilet-review
Bring 'em on! My minor rebuild price just doubled !
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:01 PM   #15
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Bring 'em on! My minor rebuild price just doubled !
Yea, So did the number of customers that are going to ask you if you are out of your %@$#&!^ mind when you tell them the price...
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Yea, So did the number of customers that are going to ask you if you are out of your %@$#&!^ mind when you tell them the price...
Hey, not my problem. I didn't sell it to them or install it. If they had asked me I would have told them that Kohler has never made a decent toilet in their entire history and that what they really want is a Toto. Now if they want me to repair it I can, I can repair anything that is not beyond repair, but if it takes me twice as long to do and requires some more bs proprietary Kohler parts then it is going to cost them AT LEAST 2X what virtually any other toilet would cost them to rebuild. "Now Mr. HO, knowing that you are going to be doing this every few years, would you like me to rebuild it or yank this piece of crap out of here and replace it with something that is easily rebuildable when the time comes?"
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go to thread under pictures i posted about a month ago. i took pictures with my tape at the top of the tank. between the flush valve and the fill valve there is no room to get your hands in there. the tank tightens from the top and i did everything i could to get the left tank to bowl nut tight. i'd really like to punch kohler in their face for designing this piece of crap.
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charge extra, these things are a PIA but good for the wallet
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