Kohler persuade - Plumbing Zone

service guy · 11-06-2009, 06:23 PM

Anyone installed one of these? What a pain in the arse! It doesn't bolt to the flange, it has separate mounting brackets hidden, and the waterline has to be roughed in way out to the side, 8.5" off center! Weird, but cool. Its a dual-flusher.

house plumber · 11-06-2009, 06:31 PM

Yeah I posted it under plumbing pictures about a month ago. I think its the worst water closet out there and would never want to see one again. Anybody that installs this on wood floors or the second floor is looking for a lawsuit.

130 PLUMBER · 11-07-2009, 01:39 AM

I installed one a couple of weeks ago,it took me about 3 or so hour to do

All i can say the next time i come across this toilet im going to be charging more for the install.

The main thing i didn't like about this toilet was the way it bolts down to the floor,and for me it just seem like a sh!tting design

dapperdan · 11-07-2009, 01:55 AM

I got screwed on a town home job gave bid to do whole house installing fixtures. Got no specs on toilet roughed in for standard toilet and had to install 16 of them. I had to relocate water. And the general didn't want to pay for it. Now I say standard toilet install on all bids. all on hardwood and second floors.

house plumber · 11-07-2009, 05:04 AM

what gets me is you have no real way to know if you're setting it down on the closet flange or not. I guess your only guide is that the flange needs to be 12 inches off the base board or the back wall if there is no base and the back of the water closet contacts either one of them. Still, a poor design.

RealLivePlumber · 11-07-2009, 09:01 AM

Typical Kohler junk. Maybe they are trying to "persuade" us to install another brand?

TheMaster · 11-07-2009, 09:04 AM

Kinda sounds like the toto toilet that has the slip fit drain connection and the wide water roughin.

LEAD INGOT · 11-07-2009, 09:07 AM

Come on guys. Didn't you see the big K on the box. Kohler soap dispensers are a pain in the ash to install. I started telling customers to expext double to tripple the install cost on any Kohler fixtures and faucets. Like 130 plumber said, 3 hours to install that pos. I just can't wrap my head around a company that every time I open their box I have to re- learn how to install a water closet.

house plumber · 11-07-2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMaster

Kinda sounds like the toto toilet that has the slip fit drain connection and the wide water roughin.

nothing like it. at least with the toto youre bolting down a flange. you know youre not squishing all the wax away. and you can see when you make the final connection. i dont know why his took 3 hours. it was my first and it didnt take more than an hour including trips to my truck a couple times.

Pipedoc · 11-07-2009, 11:11 AM

So you have to pull this toilet for a simple supply line change or ballcock change?

Oh, thats smart.

You want how much to fix my leaking toilet!

11-06-2009, 06:23 PM	#1
service guy Licensed Drain Master Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Universe Posts: 1,960 My Photos	Kohler persuade Anyone installed one of these? What a pain in the arse! It doesn't bolt to the flange, it has separate mounting brackets hidden, and the waterline has to be roughed in way out to the side, 8.5" off center! Weird, but cool. Its a dual-flusher. __________________ Reliance Sewer & Drain LLC Licensed Plumbing Contractor Website: Asheville Plumber

11-07-2009, 09:01 AM	#6
RealLivePlumber Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 602 My Photos	Typical Kohler junk. Maybe they are trying to "persuade" us to install another brand? __________________ RealLivePlumber We'll fix it, but it's gonna cost you.

11-07-2009, 09:04 AM	#7
TheMaster Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,364 My Photos	Kinda sounds like the toto toilet that has the slip fit drain connection and the wide water roughin. __________________ "Small time Hack making Big time Jack"

11-07-2009, 09:07 AM	#8
LEAD INGOT Ugly Contest Runner- up. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Earth for now. Posts: 354 My Photos	Come on guys. Didn't you see the big K on the box. Kohler soap dispensers are a pain in the ash to install. I started telling customers to expext double to tripple the install cost on any Kohler fixtures and faucets. Like 130 plumber said, 3 hours to install that pos. I just can't wrap my head around a company that every time I open their box I have to re- learn how to install a water closet. __________________ WRECKED' EM, DAMN NEAR KILLED 'EM.

11-07-2009, 11:11 AM	#10
Pipedoc Trust me. I'm a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 929 My Photos	So you have to pull this toilet for a simple supply line change or ballcock change? Oh, thats smart. You want how much to fix my leaking toilet! __________________ My proposal for a 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution. "Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States."

11-06-2009, 06:31 PM	#2
house plumber S-Trap Super Star. Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Port Richey,Fl Posts: 1,373 My Photos	Yeah I posted it under plumbing pictures about a month ago. I think its the worst water closet out there and would never want to see one again. Anybody that installs this on wood floors or the second floor is looking for a lawsuit.

11-07-2009, 01:39 AM	#3
130 PLUMBER union journeymen plumber Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 59 My Photos	I installed one a couple of weeks ago,it took me about 3 or so hour to do All i can say the next time i come across this toilet im going to be charging more for the install. The main thing i didn't like about this toilet was the way it bolts down to the floor,and for me it just seem like a sh!tting design

11-07-2009, 01:55 AM	#4
dapperdan Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 35 My Photos	I got screwed on a town home job gave bid to do whole house installing fixtures. Got no specs on toilet roughed in for standard toilet and had to install 16 of them. I had to relocate water. And the general didn't want to pay for it. Now I say standard toilet install on all bids. all on hardwood and second floors.

11-07-2009, 05:04 AM	#5
house plumber S-Trap Super Star. Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Port Richey,Fl Posts: 1,373 My Photos	what gets me is you have no real way to know if you're setting it down on the closet flange or not. I guess your only guide is that the flange needs to be 12 inches off the base board or the back wall if there is no base and the back of the water closet contacts either one of them. Still, a poor design.

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