Are you Calif. and Vt. plumbers ready for the brass lead ban? - Plumbing Zone

plumb4fun · 12-03-2009, 09:06 PM

I was just given a 1/2" thick booklet on the laws of the new CA. lead ban. I have yet to read it cover to cover. The supply houses around here are boxing up their existing brass fittings and faucets and shipping them to other States to make room for the new, more expensive lead free brass plumbing. A 3/4" brass service tee is going from $11.00 to $50.00 ! Brass PRV regulaters are said to cost 40% more, and so on. The new brass ball valves are way easier to overheat when soldering. Some of the replacement Delta faucets are plastic with copper stubs, or plastic stubs. Also plumbers can no longer install older brass fittings or faucets or replacement stems, rebuild kits, etc, from stock after Jan. 2010. They will be fined severely if they do. They are going to treat this like asbestos. I guess The Governator will have a Plumbing Czar watching our every move! I hate it when the politicians think they need to reinvent an entire industry! I will wait to hear others voice their opinions.

rocksteady · 12-03-2009, 10:05 PM

Hey Jim! Where did you get the booklet? The Delta faucets have been discussed on here already but it's the first I've heard of the huge price increases. I've dealt with some of the new stuff, ball valves mostly, and you're right about the way they handle heat.

Should I stock up on "dangerously leaded" brass or just head to Mexico when I need a PRV?

Paul

plumb4fun · 12-03-2009, 10:14 PM

Streators in Atascadero has the booklets and you get a free T shirt that says "I'm a AB-1953 Lead Free compliant plumber" no joke! You don't have to go to Mexico to buy the old brass any of the other 48 states will have what you need! Remember that we will all be criminals for using our old stocks up after Jan 2010. Decou hardware has slashed most of their faucets 40%.

rocksteady · 12-03-2009, 10:18 PM

I will swing by both places tommorow and check it out. I'm almost never in Atascadero anymore so it'll be like a vacation.

Paul

Tankless · 12-03-2009, 10:18 PM

I will use as much OLD brass as I possibly can....F-em

plumb4fun · 12-03-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tankless

I will use as much OLD brass as I possibly can....F-em

The Brass Gastapo will be watching. Only in Kommiefornia.

plumb4fun · 12-03-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rocksteady

I will swing by both places tommorow and check it out. I'm almost never in Atascadero anymore so it'll be like a vacation.

Paul

I'm surprised you don't come to A-town more often. More rotten copper here than Paso!

Protech · 12-03-2009, 11:29 PM

better you than me lol

grandpa · 12-04-2009, 03:54 AM

Unforunately, this new law will affect ALL states in some ways. It seems that Delta and Moen are now producing some models of kitchen and lavs in ONLY the Ultra low lead version.

user2091 · 12-04-2009, 04:15 AM

it all pays the same. cost is passed on to the home owner. love it or leave it. Califonia is number one.

12-03-2009, 09:06 PM	#1
plumb4fun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLO County, California Posts: 212 My Photos	Are you Calif. and Vt. plumbers ready for the brass lead ban? I was just given a 1/2" thick booklet on the laws of the new CA. lead ban. I have yet to read it cover to cover. The supply houses around here are boxing up their existing brass fittings and faucets and shipping them to other States to make room for the new, more expensive lead free brass plumbing. A 3/4" brass service tee is going from $11.00 to $50.00 ! Brass PRV regulaters are said to cost 40% more, and so on. The new brass ball valves are way easier to overheat when soldering. Some of the replacement Delta faucets are plastic with copper stubs, or plastic stubs. Also plumbers can no longer install older brass fittings or faucets or replacement stems, rebuild kits, etc, from stock after Jan. 2010. They will be fined severely if they do. They are going to treat this like asbestos. I guess The Governator will have a Plumbing Czar watching our every move! I hate it when the politicians think they need to reinvent an entire industry! I will wait to hear others voice their opinions. Last edited by plumb4fun; 12-03-2009 at 09:22 PM..

12-03-2009, 10:05 PM	#2
rocksteady Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paso Robles, Ca. Posts: 2,526 My Photos	Hey Jim! Where did you get the booklet? The Delta faucets have been discussed on here already but it's the first I've heard of the huge price increases. I've dealt with some of the new stuff, ball valves mostly, and you're right about the way they handle heat. Should I stock up on "dangerously leaded" brass or just head to Mexico when I need a PRV? Paul __________________ Rocksteady Plumbing Serving San Luis Obispo County (805) 237-7625 (ROCK) http://rocksteadyplumbing.com/

12-03-2009, 10:14 PM	#3
plumb4fun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLO County, California Posts: 212 My Photos	Hey. Paul! Streators in Atascadero has the booklets and you get a free T shirt that says "I'm a AB-1953 Lead Free compliant plumber" no joke! You don't have to go to Mexico to buy the old brass any of the other 48 states will have what you need! Remember that we will all be criminals for using our old stocks up after Jan 2010. Decou hardware has slashed most of their faucets 40%. Last edited by plumb4fun; 12-03-2009 at 10:19 PM..

12-03-2009, 10:18 PM	#4
rocksteady Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paso Robles, Ca. Posts: 2,526 My Photos	I will swing by both places tommorow and check it out. I'm almost never in Atascadero anymore so it'll be like a vacation. Paul __________________ Rocksteady Plumbing Serving San Luis Obispo County (805) 237-7625 (ROCK) http://rocksteadyplumbing.com/

12-03-2009, 10:18 PM	#5
Tankless Always Something Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Santa Barbara / Ventura Posts: 1,347 My Photos	I will use as much OLD brass as I possibly can....F-em __________________ "It's now. You just go for it now and you worry about the future and the past later." -Steve Nash And when I leave come together like butt cheeks -Grits n Gravy

12-03-2009, 11:29 PM	#8
Protech ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Polk County, Florida Posts: 7,186 My Photos	better you than me lol __________________ Plumber, Repiping, Replumbing, Leak Detection, Solar Water Heater, Drain Cleaner, Pipe Leak, Polk County Plumber, Lakeland Plumber, Winter Haven Plumber, Haines City Plumber, Bartow Plumber

12-04-2009, 03:54 AM	#9
grandpa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 393 My Photos	Unforunately, this new law will affect ALL states in some ways. It seems that Delta and Moen are now producing some models of kitchen and lavs in ONLY the Ultra low lead version.

12-04-2009, 04:15 AM	#10
user2091 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 385 My Photos	it all pays the same. cost is passed on to the home owner. love it or leave it. Califonia is number one.

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