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Redwood · 01-29-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by plumbrsteve

tried to google, but need a better way to research I guess, the thing is real pretty

Hey Steve,
Just ask Redwood!

service guy · 01-29-2010, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Protech

The Stiebel Eltron Accelera owns all the rest IMHO.

I am saving up for one in my house soon. It should pay for itself in a few years time, given the high cost of electricity and the warm, humid air that hangs in my house most of the year.

Master Mark · 01-29-2010, 08:51 AM

I get the feeling that GE and Rheem are trying to get their foot in the door at Lowes now....
and thats a bad thing....

Its probably un-avoidable that this was gonna happen some day, but it bothers me that rheem
will sell their souls to the hardware stores....

the crappy quality of the Whirlpool was one of the reasons lots of customers came to me for the better product...

its just a matter of time before Lowes boots
American heaters out the door....

I wonder how well this new heat pump is going to perform in linty laundry rooms????

ChrisConnor · 01-29-2010, 11:06 AM

Well,now that AO Smith owns American, AOSMITH and State are now the same as American.

I complained to the Rheem Rep about their shoddy product and he told me that GE is built by Rheem, but only to GE specs and that it is not the same animal as the Rheem product. I used to be a warranty rep for Rheem and I've seen beaucoup GE heater leak right after install.

TheMaster · 01-29-2010, 11:15 AM

I've seen them all leak right after install.....rheem,bradfords, american you name it if its a popular brand and its leaked on me. The only difference in the Ge and the Rheem is the drain valve that I have found.....can you name anymore. color dont count

pauliplumber · 01-29-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UnclogNH

I'm sure I won't see these new GE water heaters around here for a while still 1980s around here.

Damn I loved the 80's. Maybe I need to grow my mullet back and head north

Protech · 01-29-2010, 10:30 PM

Screw that man. Put in a glazed flat plate drain back solar heater.

Quote:

Originally Posted by service guy

I am saving up for one in my house soon. It should pay for itself in a few years time, given the high cost of electricity and the warm, humid air that hangs in my house most of the year.

Protech · 01-29-2010, 10:51 PM

Rheam sucks now and has since about 5 years ago. They are operating on their long established history of quality. They sold out 1/2 a decade ago.

The Rheem of today is not the same as the 40 year old heaters you are seeing in your clients homes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisConnor

Well,now that AO Smith owns American, AOSMITH and State are now the same as American.

I complained to the Rheem Rep about their shoddy product and he told me that GE is built by Rheem, but only to GE specs and that it is not the same animal as the Rheem product. I used to be a warranty rep for Rheem and I've seen beaucoup GE heater leak right after install.

TheMaster · 01-29-2010, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protech

Rheam sucks now and has since about 5 years ago. They are operating on their long established history of quality. They sold out 1/2 a decade ago.

The Rheem of today is not the same as the 40 year old heaters you are seeing in your clients homes.

None of them are of the quality of 40 years ago. Not the typial everyday heater anyway.

Protech · 06-15-2010, 09:41 PM

I just found another one. It’s called the Geyser( formerly Nyletherm). This one is a retrofit unit that you can hookup to an old tank. It basically a box that you can mount next to the old heater and hose connect it to the tank via a co-axial fitting that replaces the boiler drain. The unit comes with everything you need to retro fit except Teflon tape.

It has an energy factor of 2.8 which is higher than most of the other units out there.
It uses a Taco stainless steel circulation pump and double walled heat exchanger to heat the water.

One upside is it that you could mount the heat pump in the attic or any other remote location while leaving the tank in the original location.

If you have plenty of space, you can string several large tanks together that would all be heated by one heat pump. This keeps more hot water on stand by and reduces the likelihood of over running the heat pump and activating the backup resistance heating element.

The down side is that because this unit pulls from the bottom of the tank (in the factory configuration), it can get clogged with sediment. One way around this would be to use the center of the concentric fitting as the heat pump supply(normally the return). This would keep sediment out of the unit because the dip tube on the concentric fitting will deflect off of the hump in the floor of the tank and the end of the tube will rest about 4” above the floor of the tank. You can then remove pipe the heat pump return into the old anode port with a dip tube. The dip tube can be plugged and holes drilled into the side walls about 4” from the end. This will allow for reduced return velocity>>>>more laminar flow>>>>better stratification/less thermocline disturbance. Since we pulled the anode from the anode port, we will have to install an “anode nipple” in the hot port so that the tank still has an anode (it probably needs a new one anyway if it’s an old tank).

Another clever trick you can do with this unit: Say you have an existing heat recovery unit tied to an AC condenser….. You can hook this bad boy up as a parallel circuit and wire it to only kick on when the heat recovery unit is not running. This further increases the overall heating system energy factor.

The unit sells for just under $1300 shipped.

01-29-2010, 08:51 AM	#23
Master Mark philosopher and statesmen Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Indianapolis indiana ... Posts: 2,371 My Photos	Rheem and GE....finally in Lowes.. I get the feeling that GE and Rheem are trying to get their foot in the door at Lowes now.... and thats a bad thing.... Its probably un-avoidable that this was gonna happen some day, but it bothers me that rheem will sell their souls to the hardware stores.... the crappy quality of the Whirlpool was one of the reasons lots of customers came to me for the better product... its just a matter of time before Lowes boots American heaters out the door.... I wonder how well this new heat pump is going to perform in linty laundry rooms???? __________________ God created man, Sam Colt made them equal." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swkq2E8mswI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMO1eyMRuM

06-15-2010, 09:41 PM	#30
Protech ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Polk County, Florida Posts: 7,167 My Photos	I just found another one. It’s called the Geyser( formerly Nyletherm). This one is a retrofit unit that you can hookup to an old tank. It basically a box that you can mount next to the old heater and hose connect it to the tank via a co-axial fitting that replaces the boiler drain. The unit comes with everything you need to retro fit except Teflon tape. It has an energy factor of 2.8 which is higher than most of the other units out there. It uses a Taco stainless steel circulation pump and double walled heat exchanger to heat the water. One upside is it that you could mount the heat pump in the attic or any other remote location while leaving the tank in the original location. If you have plenty of space, you can string several large tanks together that would all be heated by one heat pump. This keeps more hot water on stand by and reduces the likelihood of over running the heat pump and activating the backup resistance heating element. The down side is that because this unit pulls from the bottom of the tank (in the factory configuration), it can get clogged with sediment. One way around this would be to use the center of the concentric fitting as the heat pump supply(normally the return). This would keep sediment out of the unit because the dip tube on the concentric fitting will deflect off of the hump in the floor of the tank and the end of the tube will rest about 4” above the floor of the tank. You can then remove pipe the heat pump return into the old anode port with a dip tube. The dip tube can be plugged and holes drilled into the side walls about 4” from the end. This will allow for reduced return velocity>>>>more laminar flow>>>>better stratification/less thermocline disturbance. Since we pulled the anode from the anode port, we will have to install an “anode nipple” in the hot port so that the tank still has an anode (it probably needs a new one anyway if it’s an old tank). Another clever trick you can do with this unit: Say you have an existing heat recovery unit tied to an AC condenser….. You can hook this bad boy up as a parallel circuit and wire it to only kick on when the heat recovery unit is not running. This further increases the overall heating system energy factor. The unit sells for just under $1300 shipped. __________________ Plumber, Repiping, Replumbing, Leak Detection, Solar Water Heater, Drain Cleaner, Pipe Leak, Polk County Plumber, Lakeland Plumber, Winter Haven Plumber, Haines City Plumber, Bartow Plumber

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01-29-2010, 11:06 AM	#24
ChrisConnor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,407 My Photos	Well,now that AO Smith owns American, AOSMITH and State are now the same as American. I complained to the Rheem Rep about their shoddy product and he told me that GE is built by Rheem, but only to GE specs and that it is not the same animal as the Rheem product. I used to be a warranty rep for Rheem and I've seen beaucoup GE heater leak right after install.

01-29-2010, 11:15 AM	#25
TheMaster Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 6,437 My Photos	I've seen them all leak right after install.....rheem,bradfords, american you name it if its a popular brand and its leaked on me. The only difference in the Ge and the Rheem is the drain valve that I have found.....can you name anymore. color dont count