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Old 12-19-2011, 10:20 AM   #11
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Here in St. Louis it's a 5 year apprenticeship then you can test for a journeymans license. You must then have the journeymans license for a minimum of 5 years to be eligible to take the masters exam and business and law exam to be a contractor and pull permits. 10 years minimum to go in business for yourself.






In FL only (4) years are required before someone can sit for the master's exam. That's kind of lax. Some states take the licensing of their professons more seriously (like MO).

So here, you could have a 22 year old kid who's a master plumber. That doesn't sound right, in my opinion.
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Old 12-19-2011, 10:36 AM   #12
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In FL only (4) years are required before someone can sit for the master's exam. That's kind of lax. Some states take the licensing of their professons more seriously (like MO).

So here, you could have a 22 year old kid who's a master plumber. That doesn't sound right, in my opinion.
What bothers me is the 40 year old apprentices with 20 years experience.
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What bothers me is the 40 year old apprentices with 20 years experience.
These are usually they guys who also consider themselves electricians, HVAC, carpenters, etc..
Handymen basically. I have not seen one that does nice work yet.
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What bothers me is the 40 year old apprentices with 20 years experience.
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These are usually they guys who also consider themselves electricians, HVAC, carpenters, etc..
Handymen basically. I have not seen one that does nice work yet.
In Oklahoma we call them GC's.
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In Oklahoma we call them GC's.
So you have those there too I thought it was a California thing They are nothing but handymen with a huge ego. I mean here I've seen licensed and insured GC's charge $45-$75hr We're in one of the most expensive areas in the country how do they make any money? Oh thats right they screw specialty contractors on house additions and remodels
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So you have those there too...
It's a little different here. The GC's are just rejects from concrete, framing, or roofing. They don't have employees or personally do anything.

On the upside, the do drive nice trucks.
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It's a little different here. The GC's are just rejects from concrete, framing, or roofing. They don't have employees or personally do anything.

On the upside, the do drive nice trucks.
Yeah GC's always have nice trucks its part of the illusion. How else could they sucker homeowners into letting them do the work sure isn't their vast knowledge of the trades.
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In wisconsin you are apprenticed for 5 years before you can take Journeymans test. If you pass that (it's not a gimmie - just this year our best apprectice had to take it 8 times to pass!) you work another 3 years before you can take Masters test. You need your masters to own a business and submit plans for state approval. You also need to include your masters license number in any ads you run. Sometimes we get people in from out of state without a masters license that "hang out a shingle" and the guys who actually hold the licenses turn them in to the state and run them out of business. We do protect the work we put into getting it and training the apprectices!
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In Illinois we only have either an apprentice or journeyman's license. Once you serve your required 4-5 years of apprenticeship, pass all the required classes, and work the required hours you become eligible to take the state/city journeyman's plumbing test to become a licensed journeyman. Once your a licensed journeyman you can do/ acquire anything related to the plumbing industry in the state of Illinois (get a contractor plumbing license, get a CCCDI license, inspect plumbing, sign off on plumbing plans, ect...)

I see in other states there is a master's license... what is the difference and what is the point of having a separate journeyman and master license?

I keep hearing the term master's license and felt it was time to know what is going on.
In NJ it's 8000 hours on the job, 4 years of school while being an apprentice and one year being a journeyman. So by the end of the 5th year you're able to take the masters plumbing exam.
Personally I like the term Master plumber, I think the customers like to see that too.
The test is three part, practical, business and drawing. Around 8 hour test all together . I was laid off in 2008 and collected so I had plenty of time to study and passed on the first try. I highly recommend studying.
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This thread is a wonderful example of just how F'd up the whole licensing/code thing is in this country. Everybody should be under the same code with the same licensing schedule and furthermore a master in NY should be able to work anywhere in the country with his license.
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