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Old 04-05-2011, 09:58 PM   #1
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I just bought a bottle of Ruby Fluid, I like it so far. It's a lot neater than paste flux, and you don't waste any. Vertical joints are a lot neater, there is no excess flux to run down and create a path for the solder.
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Is this a 'proven' product for reliability?


Years ago, we used some type of product for a very short period of time, came in a blue container and had a brush in it like you'd see for nail polish.

It was completely clear, and there was nothing to it. Brush it on and go.


The boss at the time told us to stop using it because someone eventually had a solder joint blow apart, but it was obvious the copper pipe was never sanded before the joint was prepared.

On new copper, the product even stated that no sanding was required.


Personally, if I could trust a flux in liquid I would be willing to make a switch, only because I find the application of flux in paste form to be wasteful, uneven spreading at times and the possibility of contamination or separation in the tin.

All valid points, and hope others chime in on the matter.


The sand cloth I'm using that is being supplied at the supply houses?


Made to last a short time, nothing like years ago. And since it breaks down quite easily, it creates a dust that's obvious. Remember when a 'good' piece of sandcloth could go almost a whole day? (as long as it is kept clean)
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Superior Flux
Rubyfluid
Soldering/Tinning Flux Liquid
Rubyfluid is a general purpose soldering flux for copper,
brass, tin, galvanized tin, mild steel, stained glass.
Active 200 - 600 deg.F (95 - 315 deg. C)
Contains Zinc Chloride
To remove excess flux wash finished work with warm/hot water
We recommend using solid wire solder with this flux,
this will give a stronger and cleaner joint.

Not recommended for Electronics, or Model RR Track
Use Superior No.30for Electronics & Model RR Track
UseSuperior No.71 and 78for Stainless and other Hard to Solder Metals.


2 Oz. (59ml) bottle - - - - $2.85
8 Oz. (236ml) bottle - - - - $6.50
16 Oz. (473ml) bottle - - - - $9.85

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Is this a 'proven' product for reliability?

Years ago, we used some type of product for a very short period of time, came in a blue container and had a brush in it like you'd see for nail polish.

It was completely clear, and there was nothing to it. Brush it on and go.

The boss at the time told us to stop using it because someone eventually had a solder joint blow apart, but it was obvious the copper pipe was never sanded before the joint was prepared.

On new copper, the product even stated that no sanding was required.

Personally, if I could trust a flux in liquid I would be willing to make a switch, only because I find the application of flux in paste form to be wasteful, uneven spreading at times and the possibility of contamination or separation in the tin.

All valid points, and hope others chime in on the matter.

The sand cloth I'm using that is being supplied at the supply houses?

Made to last a short time, nothing like years ago. And since it breaks down quite easily, it creates a dust that's obvious. Remember when a 'good' piece of sandcloth could go almost a whole day? (as long as it is kept clean)
The stuff you're referring to almost sounds like "fluxolder". Remember that black ****e that boasted that you needn't clean the pipe/fittings nor even apply any solder?

Do you use sand cloth or grit cloth Dunby? Clearly the latter is better in just about every capacity IMHO.

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The stuff you're referring to almost sounds like "fluxolder". Remember that black ****e that boasted that you needn't clean the pipe/fittings nor even apply any solder?

Do you use sand cloth or grit cloth Dunby? Clearly the latter is better in just about every capacity IMHO.

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Always, I don't have one solder joint out there that hasn't had the end of copper sandclothed or my fittings.


That's the issue I had with on using a clear liquid as a flux.


It's very common for plumbers to use paste, and if it is reliable, I can see a lot of positives using fluid/liquid if it is reliable. Especially when paste gets cold and is hard to spread.

But, I'm curious if this liquid holds up on copper lines where water is involved. <<< 95% of my work.
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Steve,
have you ever used scotchbrite, instead of sandcloth or gritcloth? It doesn't leave any grit behind.
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The sand cloth I'm using that is being supplied at the supply houses?


Made to last a short time, nothing like years ago. And since it breaks down quite easily, it creates a dust that's obvious. Remember when a 'good' piece of sandcloth could go almost a whole day? (as long as it is kept clean)
Ruby Fluid is used in the sheet metal business.

The best sand cloth I used was marketed by Nibco and I believe it was Red Oxide. That stuff seemed to last forever
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We just repiped a shower room at one of the power plants. Some of the 1-1/2" joints were done with Ruby Fluid, some with No-Korrode, and some with Oatey No. 95 tinning flux. About half were prefabbed and the other half done in the shower room. No leaks, and the Ruby Fluid joints were the cleanest.
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This time of the year my paste is liquid.
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I ran out of tinning flux yesterday, now I'm using nokorode.

I think I'm going to use the recommendations soon to try something new.

My concern is what water does in the equation, and if that will keep this product from spreading effectively where it needs to be.

I contaminate my paste every time I use my fingers to spread it, or use a flux brush that constantly keeps dirty or loses bristles.

Tired of the design, and flux as mentioned is a freaking soup this time of the year when it is hot.
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